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Post by Realm on Mar 14, 2010 17:36:22 GMT -5
Up in San Jose.
Butler(28-4 and a perfect 18-0 in the Horizon League) seeded 5th and Utep is seeded 12th.
We went from a possible 5th seed to a 12th seed wih the loss to Houston. The Selection Committee obviously didn't think much of Utep losing to a lower RPI rated Houston.
Eddie Perls says: Along with UTEP, Minnesota and Florida were considered among the bubble teams most at-risk for NOT making the tournament.
Butler is no softie... they beat UCLA / Ohio St. in their OOC schedule.
Winner of this game plays winner of Vanderbilt (24-8 and 12-4 in the tough Southeastern Conf) and Murray St(30-4 and 17-1).
strelz got his wish, though, with the game being in San Jose... 
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Post by strelz on Mar 14, 2010 17:59:51 GMT -5
UAB beat Butler this season 67-57
don't think they can match up with caracter and culpeper
their leading scorer is 6'9'' gordon haywood who is a G-F
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Post by Realm on Mar 14, 2010 18:12:46 GMT -5
UAB beat Butler this season 67-57 don't think they can match up with caracter and culpeper their leading scorer is 6'9'' gordon haywood who is a G-F
Butler had played a scorching one point win over Xavier on Saturday before traveling and playing UAB on the following Tuesday. This is how Butler's coach explained their cold shooting. |
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Post by Realm on Mar 14, 2010 18:21:19 GMT -5
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Post by uncledoug on Mar 14, 2010 22:58:29 GMT -5
Wow, Realm, this is the best link ever.
Nobody knows a team like their fans. The Butler fans are filling their diapers up over the prospect of playing UTEP. This isn't the "haters" talking, these are true fans.
After UAB's last bitter loss to UTEP, their coach was asked about the Miner's prospects in the NCAA tournament. He said, "They are not on anyone's radar. Nobody knows them." (I paraphrase)
The Butler fans only know UTEP by stats and highlights. They worry about matchups with Caracter and Culpepper occasionally mentioning Moultrie. They don't have a clue about our depth.
Great link, Realm. You made my day!
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Post by uncledoug on Mar 14, 2010 23:21:15 GMT -5
Butler played a decent preseason but their conference is full of puppies.
Here is my theory.
When Butler entered conference play they entered the "Twilight Zone." A place where Don Haskins used to go to pad his win stats and examine his team's strengths and weaknesses. A place that was visited by CTB this preseason.
This is a backwards scenario. You are supposed to do the easy schedule first and go on to the tough stuff in conference play.
Horizon has a conference RPI of 14 and C-USA is an 11 (lower numbers are better).
It is very hard for me to believe that the Horizon League and C-USA are that close. There are flaws in the RPI math when it comes to a team's (or league's) improvement over time. Horizon has no match for Memphis, UAB, Tulsa. Do they have a coach with a pedigree like Tom Penders?
Butler has cruised through the Horizon League with occasional challenges by weak teams. What happens when they are down by 10 and under intense pressure?
Advantage....MINERS!
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Post by MinerMan2010 on Mar 15, 2010 0:41:56 GMT -5
Butler played a decent preseason but their conference is full of puppies. Here is my theory. When Butler entered conference play they entered the "Twilight Zone." A place where Don Haskins used to go to pad his win stats and examine his team's strengths and weaknesses. A place that was visited by CTB this preseason. This is a backwards scenario. You are supposed to do the easy schedule first and go on to the tough stuff in conference play. Horizon has a conference RPI of 14 and C-USA is an 11 (lower numbers are better). It is very hard for me to believe that the Horizon League and C-USA are that close. There are flaws in the RPI math when it comes to a team's (or league's) improvement over time. Horizon has no match for Memphis, UAB, Tulsa. Do they have a coach with a pedigree like Tom Penders? Butler has cruised through the Horizon League with occasional challenges by weak teams. What happens when they are down by 10 and under intense pressure? Advantage....MINERS! 11 Conference USA 44.70 39.26 12 West Coast 44.15 40.15 13 Horizon League 43.61 39.35 14 Colonial Athletic 42.79 38.12 Disagree with your statement about the Horizon League. As you can see, CUSA is barely ahead of the Horizon. Butler beat Northwestern, Ohio St, and Xavier, all better than any non conference win UTEP has. Butler is a bad match up for UTEP, they play smart and can shoot. |
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Post by Realm on Mar 15, 2010 9:56:08 GMT -5
11 Conference USA 44.70 39.26 12 West Coast 44.15 40.15 13 Horizon League 43.61 39.35 14 Colonial Athletic 42.79 38.12 Disagree with your statement about the Horizon League. As you can see, CUSA is barely ahead of the Horizon. Butler beat Northwestern, Ohio St, and Xavier, all better than any non conference win UTEP has. Butler is a bad match up for UTEP, they play smart and can shoot.
In reading the stuff on Butler's board, I was impressed (and surprised) at the knowledge Butler fans have of Utep... are we on their radar??
I was wondering if they are giving us too much respect because, as strelz pointed out, we beat UAB twice... and that is the team that handed Butler their worst loss of the year.
Is Utep riding the coattails of UAB into the NCAA game?? I think that can benefit us.
Also, I saw something in the way Houston attacked our offense. It looked like they bypassed using the expected man-to-man defense in favor of a modified zone. Also, instead of going BIG to negate our height... they went with 3 to 4 quicker guards and gambled a lot.
We were definitely bothered and out of synch by what Houston was doing on defense. On offense, using 3 or 4 guards gave Houston more offensive weapons to use in attacking Utep's defense... Coleman had a horrible shooting game, and yet, Houston was never out of it.
I'm sure Butler saw all this too AND we can expect to see a replay.
I know I aggravated my Irritable Bowel Syndrome just watching the last 4 minutes of the Utep-Houston game.
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Post by strelz on Mar 15, 2010 10:12:48 GMT -5
today, Luke Winn, SI.Com
upset pick-UTEP over Butler
Sleeper Sweet 16 Pick-UTEP
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Post by strelz on Mar 15, 2010 10:45:38 GMT -5
seth davis just picked us to upset butler
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Post by Realm on Mar 15, 2010 13:52:25 GMT -5
seth davis just picked us to upset butler
strelz... thanks for the news |
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Post by Realm on Mar 15, 2010 14:03:04 GMT -5
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Post by uncledoug on Mar 15, 2010 15:57:24 GMT -5
Butler played a decent preseason but their conference is full of puppies. Here is my theory. When Butler entered conference play they entered the "Twilight Zone." A place where Don Haskins used to go to pad his win stats and examine his team's strengths and weaknesses. A place that was visited by CTB this preseason. This is a backwards scenario. You are supposed to do the easy schedule first and go on to the tough stuff in conference play. Horizon has a conference RPI of 14 and C-USA is an 11 (lower numbers are better). It is very hard for me to believe that the Horizon League and C-USA are that close. There are flaws in the RPI math when it comes to a team's (or league's) improvement over time. Horizon has no match for Memphis, UAB, Tulsa. Do they have a coach with a pedigree like Tom Penders? Butler has cruised through the Horizon League with occasional challenges by weak teams. What happens when they are down by 10 and under intense pressure? Advantage....MINERS! 11 Conference USA 44.70 39.26 12 West Coast 44.15 40.15 13 Horizon League 43.61 39.35 14 Colonial Athletic 42.79 38.12 Disagree with your statement about the Horizon League. As you can see, CUSA is barely ahead of the Horizon. Butler beat Northwestern, Ohio St, and Xavier, all better than any non conference win UTEP has. Butler is a bad match up for UTEP, they play smart and can shoot. I'm no expert, but why is it that CUSA has 7 teams in post season play and Horizon League has only 2? Besides the obvious fact that CUSA has more members. And, Horizon has no one in the NIT. It's Green Bay in the CBI. I know what the stats say but think there are factors not reflected in them. |
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Post by Realm on Mar 18, 2010 9:53:41 GMT -5
11 Conference USA 44.70 39.26 12 West Coast 44.15 40.15 13 Horizon League 43.61 39.35 14 Colonial Athletic 42.79 38.12 Disagree with your statement about the Horizon League. As you can see, CUSA is barely ahead of the Horizon. Butler beat Northwestern, Ohio St, and Xavier, all better than any non conference win UTEP has. Butler is a bad match up for UTEP, they play smart and can shoot. I'm no expert, but why is it that CUSA has 7 teams in post season play and Horizon League has only 2? Besides the obvious fact that CUSA has more members. And, Horizon has no one in the NIT. It's Green Bay in the CBI. I know what the stats say but think there are factors not reflected in them.
You make a very good point regarding the Horizon League... but Butler has an impressive OOC schedule(I've listed them somewhere) and they definitely showed they are competitive.
We'll have to watch today and see how they look...
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Post by Realm on Mar 18, 2010 9:56:24 GMT -5
Game is at 2:45 MST.
I am scouring around to see if I can spot the game on the Internet.
channelsurfing.net is slow about releasing their basketball schedule.
As soon as I find something... I will display it.
If one of you posters finds the game... share as well.
Thanks... Realm
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Post by dlr1 on Mar 18, 2010 11:48:24 GMT -5
CBSsports.com is streaming games. Link available on minerrush.com.
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Post by Realm on Mar 18, 2010 12:13:16 GMT -5
CBSsports.com is streaming games. Link available on minerrush.com.
First time post and it was a Good One !
I went to your link and selected the Pop-Up window to view the game... but the screen wanted me to make a selection...
A selection of what??
I thought I already selected to watch the BYU-Florida game but nothing happened.
I see channelsurfing is now scheduling the game.
Link: www.channelsurfing.net/
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Post by strelz on Mar 18, 2010 13:00:11 GMT -5
UTEP by 4
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Post by dlr1 on Mar 18, 2010 14:37:55 GMT -5
When asked to select, there should be a listing of games above the screen. Watched the Nova v RM game here and had a good feed.
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Post by MinerMan2010 on Mar 19, 2010 12:05:35 GMT -5
11 Conference USA 44.70 39.26 12 West Coast 44.15 40.15 13 Horizon League 43.61 39.35 14 Colonial Athletic 42.79 38.12 Disagree with your statement about the Horizon League. As you can see, CUSA is barely ahead of the Horizon. Butler beat Northwestern, Ohio St, and Xavier, all better than any non conference win UTEP has. Butler is a bad match up for UTEP, they play smart and can shoot. I'm no expert, but why is it that CUSA has 7 teams in post season play and Horizon League has only 2? Besides the obvious fact that CUSA has more members. And, Horizon has no one in the NIT. It's Green Bay in the CBI. I know what the stats say but think there are factors not reflected in them. Their champ mopped the floor with our champ. Butler and Horizon League are no joke. UTEP lost to Butler by more points than Lehigh did to Kansas! Pathetic! |
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