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Post by BleedingOrange on Mar 23, 2012 23:41:46 GMT -5
Women's team did awesomely, and played with a very good PSU team in the Big Dance.
Men's team showing limitless potential and flashes of brilliance.
Things looking up for next year in Orangeville.
It's been great chatting with you all this season, and I look forward to future conversations! Let's keep the board lit up with recruiting news, if anyone hears anything in the coming months.
Take care, all!!
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Post by MinerMan2010 on Mar 24, 2012 0:01:47 GMT -5
I will probably never be a fan of the womens team. Im sorry, they dont have the skill level of men and its like a train wreck out there sometimes.
I think the mens team will be better, but they have lost some head scratchers during his tenure (Memphis CUSA champ game, UNM, UTSA, Stephen F Austin and ENMU). Hope those kind of games don't continue.
I hope we have some topics to discuss over the next 6 months. We should, if not, we can always talk about CMP's replacement.
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Post by BleedingOrange on Mar 24, 2012 13:15:12 GMT -5
I agree with you on the talent level (I'm really tired of women barking about how much better they are "fundamentally" than men) but it was great to see the Lady Miners do good things in a year when the guys struggled.
I also have ties to the women's team; they used to come to my school and play a fundraiser basketball game against our teachers (usually only a couple of current players and a handful that had already graduated, as per NCAA rules, but it was still the UTEP Miners out there). The players and coaches are great, great people, so I root for them more than I would otherwise.
Anyway, we'll see what the future brings in the football realm... but I'm pumped about hoops next year.
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Post by mistabinks on Mar 24, 2012 16:33:12 GMT -5
At CUSAbbs, I constantly refute a lot of the talk about UTEP losing to Memphis in the CUSA title game. Yes, it was the biggest sports heartbreak of my life. It completely sucked. But I refute that we "should have" won because we had a lot of seniors. DC was our offense their junior year. He single handily carried UTEP to many victories. Losing him was huge. Yes, RC, JC, and CP were great seniors. Still, we lost DC and no one should have expected our seniors to be as as good without him. We were 15-1 with him. We were a third seed w/out him.
The NIT UNM game was pretty obvious. Except for RC, none of the seniors gave a shit about the game. They simply didn't. They already had their degrees, they had no interest in the NIT, and they weren't returning to UTEP after the game.
UTSA and SFA are what they are. Coach Floyd was starting from scratch. We lost. We will probably lose a game like that next season too. Our incoming freshmen and newbies will need that same buffer to adjust. It will be fun though.
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Post by MinerMan2010 on Mar 25, 2012 14:01:16 GMT -5
At CUSAbbs, I constantly refute a lot of the talk about UTEP losing to Memphis in the CUSA title game. Yes, it was the biggest sports heartbreak of my life. It completely sucked. But I refute that we "should have" won because we had a lot of seniors. DC was our offense their junior year. He single handily carried UTEP to many victories. Losing him was huge. Yes, RC, JC, and CP were great seniors. Still, we lost DC and no one should have expected our seniors to be as as good without him. We were 15-1 with him. We were a third seed w/out him. The NIT UNM game was pretty obvious. Except for RC, none of the seniors gave a shit about the game. They simply didn't. They already had their degrees, they had no interest in the NIT, and they weren't returning to UTEP after the game. UTSA and SFA are what they are. Coach Floyd was starting from scratch. We lost. We will probably lose a game like that next season too. Our incoming freshmen and newbies will need that same buffer to adjust. It will be fun though. I agree with most of what you're saying. However, UTEP blew a big lead to a bunch of freshman on their home floor. I dont care if Derrick Caracter was the whole offense or not. We had kicked their ass a month before without DC. Losing the way we did was unaceptable. Even though we made the NIT, we were never in the running for an at-large berth, so not going the Dance should have come as no surprise. UNM didn't have their leading scorer for the game and the Pit was far from full. Its a game UTEP should have won. The NIT final four is played at Madison Square Garden, that should have been enough for CTF to motivate those players. I dont buy your excuse of "they already had their degrees and had already left school". What does that have to do with playing hard? Randy and Julyan aren't even using their degrees and probably won't for awhile. With our returning roster and so called "great recruits" coming in, we better not lose home games to Southland teams. Teams from the Southland are regular 16 seeds. That conference sucks. The schedule will be interesting to see, but losing those games are unacceptable for UTEP basketball, any time, any year! |
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Post by mistabinks on Mar 25, 2012 14:39:18 GMT -5
I agree with most of what you're saying. However, UTEP blew a big lead to a bunch of freshman on their home floor. I dont care if Derrick Caracter was the whole offense or not. We had kicked their ass a month before without DC. Losing the way we did was unaceptable. I don't know if 12 points is really a big lead. It might go down as the most disappointing loss (for me) in my life time. It sucked. I just don't view it as unacceptable. They beat us. Even though we made the NIT, we were never in the running for an at-large berth, so not going the Dance should have come as no surprise. UNM didn't have their leading scorer for the game and the Pit was far from full. Its a game UTEP should have won. The NIT final four is played at Madison Square Garden, that should have been enough for CTF to motivate those players. Athletes should want to compete regardless of situation. Except for RC, the other seniors didn't give a shit about the NIT. It was obvious. Is that okay? Of course not. It is the reality though. I dont buy your excuse of "they already had their degrees and had already left school". What does that have to do with playing hard? Randy and Julyan aren't even using their degrees and probably won't for awhile. It is not an excuse. It is not a justification. It is just the reality of the situation. Once the team didn't make the NCAA, they didn't give a shit. I talked to Polk quite a bit on Twitter. While respectful, he pretty much told me that the season was over and they (the seniors) would not be returning to class. It is what it is. They should have played hard 100% of the time. It was obvious they didn't (with the exception of RC and the underclassmen). With our returning roster and so called "great recruits" coming in, we better not lose home games to Southland teams. Teams from the Southland are regular 16 seeds. That conference sucks. The schedule will be interesting to see, but losing those games are unacceptable for UTEP basketball, any time, any year! Under normal circumstances, I agree. As a UTEP fan, I simply never seen the cupboards left that bare before. I am glad Coach Floyd didn't go for the quick fix with JUCO's. I rather take a few bad losses and build toward a long term future. Something we haven't had since 1999. |
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Post by MinerMan2010 on Mar 25, 2012 16:33:56 GMT -5
Only in Gillispie's first season is it ever okay to lose to SLC teams. If that kind of situation happens again, it is okay to lower expectations, but at no time else!
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Post by mistabinks on Mar 26, 2012 10:53:24 GMT -5
I don't think it is ever okay to lower expectations. I was shocked we lost to UTSA and SFA. It happened though. The same way I hope we knock off a couple power conference schools this coming season. Their fans will be saying what we are saying now. "No way should a PAC12 school lose to a CUSA school!" That is why we play the games...
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Post by BleedingOrange on Mar 27, 2012 22:59:05 GMT -5
I was spared the absolute heartbreak of watching that memphis loss. I was driving to Las Vegas for Spring Break and was getting play-by-play texted to me by my buddies at the game. Hearing that we lost in the fashion we did pretty much ruined my whole damn vacation.
I think you both made really good points here. At no time should a loss to those teams be acceptable, but I attribute the losses more to inexperience than a lack of effort. That is why I could live with them... this year. But next year, with more experience and an influx of talent, I will be mucho pissed if we drop any of those types of games. Anything less than top five in the conference and an NIT or *gag* CBI bid will be a disappointment.
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